Mass-energy equivalence is just one of the many delusions of the relativity maniacs like time dilation and space contraction. As is the case with their time dilation delusion, the religious scientific folk claim that their delusion of mass-energy equivalence has been proven beyond doubt, and they argue that nuclear reactors wouldn’t work without their religious theory. We can all agree that nuclear reactors generate power. But if one argues that as proof of mass-energy equivalence and special relativity, then one may argue tape worms as proof of Flat Earth. That is, if one abandons rational thinking, any damn thing can be argued as proof of any shit theory.
The famous equation of E=mc2 and the principle of mass-energy equivalence can’t be correct because
1) They are born out of an absurd theory that is built upon the superstitious belief of constant speed of light. https://debunkingrelativity.com/photon-clock-and-the-maya-of-time-dilation/
2) Mass is a scalar quantity while energy is a vector quantity (of course most physicists aren’t intelligent enough to grasp this point). When a force acts upon a body, the body moves in the direction of the force. That is to say that work (and energy) has the same direction as that of the force.
3) From what the mass-energy equivalence principle preaches, I would imagine that when the mass of a substance disappears, it releases an equivalent amount of energy as per the weird formula of E=mc2. But energy in what form? As far as we know the most fundamental form of energy is electromagnetic radiation, in other words photons. So let us presume that 1gm mass of a substance ‘vanishes’ to release ‘x’ joules of energy in the form of photons. But if we manage to add the mass of all the individual photons that are released, that would probably add up to the original mass of the substance which released them. Of course relativists have another superstitious belief to their rescue:- they believe that photons are massless. But how can a particle have no mass but still possess momentum? Obviously only relativity maniacs can accept such weird notions. There are some sane physicists who believe that photons do possess some mass, albeit very small. So it is sensible to believe that 1gm mass of the above substance just got transformed into 1gm mass of photons. So the mass as such is still there and hasn’t disappeared from the world.
4) Energy of a body is relative and depends upon the reference frame of the observer while its mass is not. The mass of an object is measured by its inertia which has nothing to do with the motion of the observer. Of course relativists have a delusional belief that an object’s mass increases with its velocity relative to the observer. They believe that a fast moving object will have more mass (relativistic mass) than when the same is at rest (rest mass). If the mass of a body were to vary with its velocity, it would imply that its value would vary in different directions because velocity is a vector quantity whose value varies depending upon in which direction we measure it. It would imply that mass is a vector quantity which is obviously ridiculous. And if mass were to be a vector quantity, then what is the direction of the rest mass of an object? Like this we can go on talking about the weird religion of relativity forever. And the more we dig into the delusional theory of relativity, the more stupid it becomes. And that is the reason why one can never win arguing against relativists, as the argument proceeds, they turn more and more stupid.
In my view, mass and energy are opposite entities and are not inter-convertable. While mass gives inertia to a body and opposes motion, it is energy which makes the body overcome that inertia and sets that body into motion. That is mass and energy are opposite entities and it would be stupid to imagine one converting to the other. Energy always manifests itself in the form a moving mass. And without mass and without motion there can be no energy. Potential energy is not a real energy. It just indicates the potential of a body to acquire the said quantity of energy when it is set free in a particular scenario. Just like potential energy, we can also propose potential velocity!
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I’ll comment about (1) the constant speed of light first. Its postulation in special relativity is a metaphysical postulate: it is deduced from perceptions, but perceptions can be explained by non-constant speed of light as well. It is easy to arrive at a constant speed of light. Suppose first that the energy state of an object (its combined state of gravitation and motion) determines the local velocity of light. Given this, the speed of light is naturally always measured to be constant, because the measuring device is in the same energy state. Thus, supposed that the velocity of light changes depending on the energy state, it can be explained easily why most of the contemporary physicists believe in the constant velocity of light, and why they suppose it is an empirically verified fact.
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@Avril Styrman
Have you seen the video of Rupert Sheldrake I have put on this site, about ‘constants’ in physics? He also talsk about the speed of light.
Furthermore, the speed of light is measured different times as much much higher then the ‘accepted’ speed of light/
I think that “contemporary physicists” believe this non-sense about thje speed of light because they are indoctrinted with this crap.
Just find some intervieuws with ‘scientists’ and you see they have no logial
bone in their body (anymore).Dawkins comes to mind, and also Hawkings.
Dawkins even stated in one of his books that .one needs no evidence
to accept evolution! Oh and they have do NO REASEARCH into e.g. ESP,
but they have the audicity and the arogance to reject it by reflex,
But.. people are waking up to this!
Galacar
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Dear Galacar, I’ll have to check out the video. But I grasp the indoctrination. Paul Feyerabend complained about it for many decades. It is very real, and it seems that the higher you go in the hierarchy, the worse it is. There is no internal inspection in physics departments. People can still just say “I am a physicists and this is an empirical fact”. That ‘s why Feyerabend insisted that theories should be evaluated against one another. I’ve looked into the question of what is that objective evaluation criterion, and come up with an old one: the principle of economy.
Economy favours the theory which gives the most accurate predictions; of two theories with equally accurate predictions, economy favours the one which incorporates the least sum of metaphysics.
If you fix the theory by incorporating more and more metaphysics (like dark energy), your theory gets worse.
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Einstein’s derivation of E=mc^2 is wrong since it is not a result of the Lorentz transformation but follows directly from Newton’s second law when also differentiating the mass of the momentum.
One then obtains that the force F=m(dv/dt)+v(dm/dt). When this force moves through a distance dx it does work dW=Fdx=m(dv/dt)dx=v(dm/dt)dx=m(dx/dt)dv+v(dx/dt)dm=(mv)dv+(v^2)dm.
Thus the increase in dE energy caused by the work dW causes an increase in both the speed (dv) and the mass (dm). Thus mass must be energy. By setting dE=(c^2)dm, where (c^2) is a proportionality factor, one obtains that:
(c^2)dm=(mv)dv+(v^2)dm
Which can be rearranged to give c^2-v^2=vdv
(dm/m)=(vdv)/[c^2-v^2] Integrtaing this from v=0 and m-m(0) one obtains that:
m=m(0)/sqrt[1-(v/c)^2] and integrating dE=(c^2)dm gives E=m(c^2).
Thus if Newton did not assume that the mass stays constant when increasing the speed of a matter object, he would have derived E=m(c^2) more than 200 years before Einstein guessed that it must be so.
Furthermore, if Einstein did not incorrectly “derive” length contraction, he would have found that the length of a matter-object increases with speed, since it becomes a de Broglie wave which accommodates the increase in mass-energy as electromagnetic wave-energy.
Einstein could have derived derived the de Broglie wavelength from the Lorentz transformation if he was not so stupid to propose “length-contraction” and ‘time-dilation” which, as you correctly point out, are both impossible.
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Johan Prins,
A very nice derivation! I checked it over myself and can confirm that this reproduces the mass-velocity relation. You need to do some justifying with the constants of integration which I’m not 100% sold on from a first principles standpoint such as why the constant in dE=(c^2)dm must be zero and why the constant when solving for the mass-velocity relation must be greater than zero but the rest follows perfectly from what you’ve laid out.
My only concern is your initial assumption that dE=(c^2)dm. I feel that this is a massive cheat in your derivation as you are assuming Einstein’s mass-energy equivalence by using this assumption. Let me justify this, you derived from Newtons second law that dE=(mv)dv+(v^2)dm which is 100% correct. This statements says that an increase in velocity (dv) or an increase in mass (dm) corresponds to an increase in energy (dE) by a certain amount. In the case of the mass, increasing the mass by dm leads to an increase in the energy by (c^2)dm. So if I doubled the mass the energy would increase by double the mass times the objects velocity squared. This is all fine and good. The issue lies in that you then assume that if you increase the mass by dm that the energy then increases by (c^2)dm which is not at all implied by your derivation from Newtons second law. You already showed how changing the mass resulted in changing the velocity but then went on to modify how the energy changed by adding in the dE=(c^2)dm term! Basically you made a beautiful derivation of what should happen then completely changed it in order to derive what you wanted! Thus, the derivation you made (while completely correct mathematically) is not valid logically. Newton could never have made this derivation since the logic behind it is flawed. “Yup so this is how energy changes with mass, now let’s just change that entirely…. OH LOOK mass and energy are equivalent!”
As for Einstein and the de Broglie wavelength, if the mass/energy of a body increases then the de Broglie wavelength decreases. This is a simple fact, but it seems to be causing trouble. But if the de Broglie wavelength gets shorter than this is not at odds with length contraction, in fact it seems to agree with it!
TL;DR your derivation is incorrect because you derive how energy changes when mass changes then you assume that it changes completely differently by using E=mc^2 and this winds up accidentally correctly how energy changes with a change in mass and you get the correct answer.
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Comment about (2). You are absolutely correct in noting that the equivalence principle is weird. Consider another way of arriving at the problem. In GR, an object’s inertial mass increases along with the increase of velocity in both cases: (a) when an object is accelerated at a constant gravitational potential; (b) when an object’s velocity increases in free fall. Now, (a) is intelligible, for we can understand the increase of the inertial mass of object x to be proportional to the decrease of the inertial mass of object y, where y accelerates x. However, in the case of (b), such as when an asteroid falls on Earth, the question runs: Where did the additional inertial mass come from? We could answer the question in terms of energy balance between potential energy (in this case gravitational energy) and energy of motion, but in GR and in FLRW, the conservation law is completely ambiguous. For comparison, DU is built on the conservation law, and explains (b) not in terms of increasing mass, but in terms of gravitational energy transforming into energy of motion, where the conservation law is sustained.
See section 4:
Click to access The_Dynamic_Universe_e-book.pdf
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I have a problem with the first law but I don’t use math, I use logic.:
From NASA Spaceflight Systems, Education: “Every object persists in its state of rest or uniform motion in a straight line unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed on it.” https://spaceflightsystems.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/newton.html
When we deconstruct the first law, we observe that nothing in the universe is in a state of rest – everything is moving. Everything is in orbit about something else and so nothing moves in a straight line. Additionally, every body in the universe is affected by every other body in the universe. One would need to be outside of the universe to test Newtons law; therefore it is impossible to check the validity of the first law. It begins to become apparent why it was so difficult to land the first probes using 300 years-old science. NASA actually uses Newton’s laws as he wrote them, no Einsteinian updates just the original.
I have just been looking at this on another forum that tells us that this has all been checked out over the years by physicists and proven to be true. The fact is that it has all been calibrated to fit the law, not checked for accuracy.
Hope you like this from Charles Fort: It is our expression that nothing can attempt to be, except by attempting to exclude something else: that that which is commonly called “being” is a state that is wrought more or less definitely proportionately to the appearance of positive difference between that which is included and that which is excluded. http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/book_of_the_damned.pdf
Fort is making his own version of a law: In order for something to become true, it must exclude that which was thought to be true. This is scientific methodology – exclusion of the awkward question.
cadxx
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cadxx, yes, first law can’t be true and I have talked about it here https://debunkingrelativity.com/2014/03/29/the-divine-stuff-explains-all/
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I found the following at the Energetic Forum (link below) They are discussing the possibility of bouncing longitudinal radio transmissions off the Moon to disprove Einsteinian relativity:
Given that the propagation speed of longitudinal electric waves (which according to the current theory cannot propagate through a vacuum) is about 1.6 times the speed of light, it would be a very interesting experiment to see whether or not moon bouncing could be achieved practically with longitudinal electric waves. If Tesla is right, we would see an Earth-Moon-Earth roundtrip time of in the order of 1.6 seconds, while normal EM waves would take more than 2.5 seconds. Since the distance between the Earth and the Moon is on average 384,400 km, on average we would have a return path of over 750,000 km, which would take more than 2.5 seconds at the speed of light, which is the speed with which EM waves propagate. However, longitudinal waves could make the round-trip in just 1.6 seconds, a difference of 0.9 seconds!…
…So, if we were to make a longitudinal transmitter of considerable power (Wikipedia says you need over 100W for EM waves, but the higher the gain of your antenna’s, the less power you need) and we would connect that to a computer (transmitting f.e. audible morse code or something), you could setup a system whereby any (radio amateur) could enter a message trough the Internet to a server, connected to a transmitter which sends the signal to the moon. Now since any decent Internet connection should be able to get the message from the amateurs computer to the transmitter computer well within half a second, any radio amateur that builds a receiver should be able to determine that the signal he himself entered on the computer is being received from the moon well before any EM wave could possibly travel back and forth between the earth and the moon.
That way, it could be experimentally proven that:
a) longitudinal waves exist,
b) they travel at much a faster speed than the speed of light.
This would mean that it could be experimentally proven that the current Maxwell equations are wrong and that therefore the Lorentz transform is rubbish after all and thus Einsteinan relativity can finally be put where it belongs: the trash can.
http://www.energeticforum.com/eric-dollard-official-forum/9727-who-performs-first-longitudinal-moon-bounce-history.html
The aether and aether waves were considered to be practical and theoretical probabilities until the 1930’s when consensus gave way to Einstein’s theories, the existence of the electron and what became known as the New Physics.
Do you realise that all of our modern technology was originally based upon a debunked theory?
cadxx
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caddy, even if someone manages to show that your longitudinal waves just take 1.6sec for the round trip, relativists would interpret that as proof of time dilation and space contraction. So your experiment is only going to prove their religious beliefs!
Basically to prove that relativity is nude, what one requires is clear mind and not experiments. All the experiments which the relativists claim as proof of their religion actually disprove that if interpreted with clear mind.
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Thus if Newton did not assume that the mass stays constant when increasing the speed of a matter object, he would have derived E=m(c^2) more than 200 years before Einstein guessed that it must be so.
John F Prins,
Why would Newton have assumed otherwise?
So much of today’s goofy physics stems from the baseless acceptance that the SOL is the same in all reference frames. Once one accepts that bizarre notion of course you can mathematically “prove” length contraction and time dilation.
IMO, Einstein and the other relativists had/have no basis for such an assertion.
Early on, Richard Feynman gave some insightful, yet simple, lectures wherein he stated that no matter how elegant the math behind the theory appears, if it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong. Of course he then went on to propose “theories” that couldn’t be verified by experiment. Progress?!?!
Publish or perish!
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Basically what increases with the speed of a moving object is its INERTIA but not its MASS. Inertia of a body depends upon its mass and the resistance offered by the environment i.e. medium (water, air, ether) in which the body moves. And the faster an object moves, the greater the resistance it faces from the medium. That explains why a body’s inertia increases with increasing velocity.
Relativists having ‘disproved’ ether, had no choice but to confuse inertia with mass. So for them an increase in inertia means an increase in mass!
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drgsrinivas
I like your space contraction/time dilation idea it made me think. What is the formula and the verbal rationalisation for space contraction when the very basis of relativity has crashed in flames? Which way would time go at a speed beyond the Einstein limit? Would space expand or contract? It would be fascinating to do the experiment if only to watch the headless chickens running in circles.
BTW: No scientist would attempt this as consensus has denied the existence of the aether; as there is no aether scalar waves are therefore not possible in space. But there are several people who have managed to construct a scalar wave transmitter. Tesla’s Wardencyffe transmitter for example was being built at around the time Einstein was pushing his theory. Remember Fort, ‘to make something real it is necessary to make something unreal’.
I do however agree with your sentiment that nothing will change. Too much money invested.
cadxx
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Inertia of a body depends upon its mass and the resistance offered by the environment i.e. medium (water, air, ether) in which the body moves.
drgsrinivas
Not sure I agree. Bringing the medium into the discussion seems to just further muddy the water. The same mass experiences different resistances from the same medium depending on the shape of the mass.
I don’t even know why we need the term “inertia” in physics at least as it pertains to mass. Mass is mass, we can all understand that. More mass, more resistance to force, be it against gravity, friction or whatever.
Moment of inertia? Momentum? Absolutely. Relative mass, rest mass, gravitational mass??? Not necessary to have three terms. There is only one mass and it doesn’t vary imho.
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Aether, I can understand why you think so.
Of course mass is mass. But how do you measure mass? Obviously there must a way to quantify that. And that is where we need the concept of Inertia.
Yes, the more the mass, the more the resistance. And that resistance is what we call as Inertia. In other words Inertia is the resistance offered by a body to motion.
And, how do we measure the inertia of a body? Obviously by noting the amount of force required to move that body from rest. So ultimately, to quantify the mass of a body, we need to measure the force required to move/accelerate that body. But that force not only depends upon the mass but also upon the resistance/viscosity of the medium.
https://debunkingrelativity.com/2015/11/06/demystifying-electromagnetism/#comment-6754
The more the mass of a body, the more the inertia. Also, the more the viscosity of the medium, the more the inertia.
i.e. Inertia ∝ mass.viscosity
It implies that, in absolute vacuum (i.e. in the absence of a medium), inertia becomes zero for any object. So even the slightest force would cause infinite acceleration, irrespective of the mass of a body. That is obviously bizarre. Thus, in absolute vacuum (i.e. without the medium) inertia becomes meaningless and mass becomes unquantifiable. So to speak of mass, it is essential that we take into account of the medium and its viscosity.
I believe that our universe is filled with/permeated by Ether and there isn’t anything like absolute vacuum. Otherwise we will have to accept that our universe is bizarre (and so is our science) and hence chant all the absurd theories that our physicists had put forward!
Of course, shape of a body influences the inertia of a body and so are relative motion between the body and medium, size of the body, density etc. There are always going to be many factors that influence the measurement of any parameter, not only inertia. That’s why it is important that we standardize the conditions before measuring anything.
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drgsrinivas,
You wrote: “But if we manage to add the mass of all the individual photons that are released, that would probably add up to the original mass of the substance which released them.”
That makes perfect sense! Then we have a conservation of mass.
But do you know why relativists insist photons have no mass? Because of their absurd notion that the mass of an object increases with the speed of that object. Since photons move at the speed of light if they had mass they would have to have infinite mass! So relativists invent the notion that photons are massless just to fit their theory.
Let me ask this, if photons are massless then how are they affected by gravity? The famous experiments of star light being bent around the sun would prove that the photons from that star light would be affected by the gravity of the sun’s mass and therefore photons must have mass in order to be affected by gravity.
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Bill, there is no proof that the bending of light round the limb of the sun is caused by gravitation. Light is bent in our atmosphere, so it makes sense to assume that the light bending around the sun is also caused by its atmosphere.
From Wikipedia :- “Our sun is surrounded by a jacket of gases called an atmosphere. The corona is the outermost part of the sun’s atmosphere. The corona is usually hidden by the bright light of the sun’s surface…”
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Just a few random thoughts to help get my head straight. Please feel free to correct my logic.
Einstein removed the thorn in the side of physics that was aether and this is the sole reason he was so popular with the administrators of science. Having removed the aether he cancelled the speed of light through the aether and made it the speed the speed of light in a vacuum. In doing so he transferred all the properties of aether to a vacuum that previously had no properties.
A vacuum cannot have properties or it is not a vacuum, hence the confusion we now have that made Einstein into a genius and a hero.
The phrase space(/time) has replaced the aether in a materialistic science that claims everything is matter/energy. But time cannot be defined as matter/energy; time cannot be defined at all. We also have space that is assumed to be empty and so we have a medium space/time that cannot do anything or be anything tangible. Space/time is metaphysics. This is all put to rest by giving it a name – counterintuitive.
Merriam-Webster: counterintuitive: different from what you would expect : not agreeing with what seems right or natural http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/counterintuitive
Counterintuitive in scientific parlance means that you need a scientist to explain it – the emperors new clothes. Science is not natural (nature) as it claims to be.
We all carry this baggage around thanks to an education that is totally controlled by science – everything in education has to be scientific. Now it must have long ago occurred to educators that it did not matter that what was taught was a load of shit, as long as all the educators are reading from the same hymn book, as long as the examinations reflect the same excrement. Education is a means of control and the last thing it is intended to do is to tell us the truth, as that would put the educated in control rather than the intended power and money hungry oligarchs who provide funding for science…
cadxx
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Totally agree. That’s exactly what Relativity did.
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cadxx wrote;
“We all carry this baggage around thanks to an education that is totally controlled by science – everything in education has to be scientific. Now it must have long ago occurred to educators that it did not matter that what was taught was a load of shit, as long as all the educators are reading from the same hymn book, as long as the examinations reflect the same excrement. Education is a means of control and the last thing it is intended to do is to tell us the truth, as that would put the educated in control rather than the intended power and money hungry oligarchs who provide funding for science…”
Amen to that!
People have to realise that the WHOLE ‘educational’ system is put up to indoctrinate us with lies, lies and lies from cradle to grave!
Yep, all this is ‘by design’.
It all has to do in the end with control.
And, as I always say, the rabbithole goes deep, very very deep indeed.
But it is fascinating, but also, if we don’t wake up to all the lies,
we will be in trouble soon!
We are in “the end game” of “the work of ages”.
let’s stop them in their tracks!
Namaste!
Galacar
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I hope this is not too far off topic, but there appears to be a clear indication of scientific conspiracy at the time of Einstein’s General relativity and JJ Thomson’s electron “discovery”. It was my own discovery of the two following quotes that whetted my apatite:
“To the electron — may it never be of any use to anybody.” — JJ. Thomson’s favorite toast
Einstein: “I have now struggled with this basic problem of electricity for more than twenty years, and have become quite discouraged, though without being able to let go of it. I am convinced that a completely new and enlightening inspiration is needed.” Albert Einstein explaining why physicists don’t like electricity and why astronomers call cosmic electricity magnetic fields.
It seems that the Thomson group at the Cavendish would gather for occasional relaxation and a piss-up. Thomson would call the scientists to order – ‘Gentlemen, a toast, “To the electron — may it never be of any use to anybody.” The group would raise their glasses and repeat “To the electron”. This may sound strange for a Nobel prizewinner who’s prize was (more or less) for the same electron.
The reason was that the coming of the electron had caused an idealogical split between the physicists and the electrical engineers, a gulf that remains today. The amazing fact is that Thomson sided with the engineers – he was doing the same research as Tesla and Steinmetz as may be confirmed if you are able to find one of his books. It is this that accounts for the quote above by Einstein.
One example is that a current will flow in both directions in a conductor and this cannot be explained in terms of electron (billiard ball) flow. It is well documented that both Tesla and Steinmetz said that the electron did not exist and even Thomson admitted that he did not know what it was that was beaming in the cathode ray tube.
Notwithstanding, the cathode ray tube kick-started particle physics as a science with a particle that did not exist according to the top men of the day. Who exactly it was who was able to pull-off this scam I have no idea, although I can clearly see why it was done.
There are many people who can’t get their heads around this – they can’t envisage an electronics without an electron (back to education), but Thomson had all the electronic circuitry that we have today before he did his electron work. Tricky?
cadxx
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“The theory of relativity is a mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of the past and even to common sense.” – Tesla
Mass<b\/b> of error AND deceptive ideas indeed! Brilliant.
Einstein was and is a well agented phony. A so-called pacifist that advocated revolution and genocide.
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cadxx,
Thanks for that.
Far off topic? No!
There is a “Global Conspiracy” going on for years and years.
But we are conditioned by the mainstream media and ; education’
to deny that something like that is going on.
So, not ‘far fetched’ but very close to the truth of what is really going on in this
world.
btw may I recommend a very very good book about how ‘science’ really works?
I never understood when I was at school why there was nothing in the books
about the ways dicoveries were made. It looked all too smootgh for me.
Now I know why.
Namaste!
Galacar
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I may have caused confusion in my last post, it should read: One example is that a current will flow in both directions simultaneously… I’ve known about this since I was a kid and I was naive enough to assume that everyone else did.
There is a wonderful example of this here where college teaching is in conflict with what realy happens ((reality) I don’t like the word because nothing is real per se.)
http://www.overunity.com/9778/can-electrons-flow-in-opposite-directions-on-the-same-wire-see-schematic/
Even in the face of a simple schematic and the results of a real-life experiment they try to rationalise it in terms of what they have been brainwashed to believe.
Galacar: Thanks for the book, I will certainly read it if I can get a copy.
If anyone wants to investigate the global conspiracy a good place to start would be with this guy – Arthur Stanley Eddington. He was foremost in the push to make Einstein into a genius. Science has to have geniuses and because it no longer atracts them they have to manufacture them. They are patsies for the men behind the curtain.
Aether: I like the Tesla quote. It’s true that science realy did work prior to the Tesla era, but it did not become totally politicised until the 1930’s with the advent of the Einstein and “New Physics concensus. It is possible to trace the origin of ALL of our modern technology to before this date. I know, I’ve spent untold hours researching it.
cadxx
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cadxx
you wrote:
” It is possible to trace the origin of ALL of our modern technology to before this date. I know, I’ve spent untold hours researching it.”
I totally agree and I have also put it up here,.
As far as the ‘scientific’ cospiracy goes.
The whole thing started with the lies of the “Royal Society”.
It was all designed and built in from the beginning.
Their goal, among others, was to distract us from any spritual truth.
hence, for example, evolution, which is very very material.and thus
anti-spiritual.
As I have written before, some people higer up want to put us in
a material, anti-spiritual box.
O boy, so much to say about the fraud of ‘science’.
So, I better stop here.
Namaste
Galacar.
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Hi Galacar
Having problems with my PC! need to fix it sometime soon.
I agree with your assessment of the Royal Society I’ve also been through the history. It has its origins in alchemy and the hidden college, the college set-up to exclude religion. You would need to include John Dee and Francis Bacon, both alchemists, in it’s founding fathers. Isaac Newton and Robert Boyle were alchemists who managed to hide their main interest from the RS. The RS became materialistic when they also excluded alchemy, the very source of their knowledge. When Newton said he was standing on the shoulders of giants he was referring to the old alchemists.
I was watching a woman professor on Youtube not long ago (can’t recall her name) who says she has spent 14 years researching this stuff and although much of what she said was true, she gives the orign as masonic and Kabbalah originating in ancient Mesopotamia. I wrote to her asking how it is the medieval cathedrals across Europe happen are covered with alchemical symbols if they were built by kabalistic masons? There are records of alchemy in India, China and Egypt but not in Mesopotamia. Rather than an answer, she sent a copy of my question back to me??? There is a load of shit to distract us on this subject. I don’t trust academics.
Kind Regards
cadxx
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cadxx wrote
” I don’t trust academics”
Yep, tjat’s it! Then if not already, open your mind.
Namaste
Galacar.
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Still on the subject of the electron, if you go to the link below you will find a William J Beaty web page ‘Right angle circuitry – or – AC Electronics for Alien Minds’ http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html
The Wiki wimps call Beaty a crackpot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Beaty something that usually indicates that he is doing something that science finds embarrassing.
I think I may have already mentioned that physics and electrical engineering parted company some one hundred years ago. Electricity means something completely different to an engineer than it does to a physicist. I would go so far as to say that physics does not have a clue as to what electricity is or how it works. When the physics is taught to students who are training for electrical engineering it confuses them and William Beaty tries to sort-out the mess. This is why he gets a bad press on Wiki.
At the link above we find that he uses transformers to make a point about electron flow. In the penultimate graphic he shows a transformer split in two and the two halves joined by iron wires that can be any length.
I would think it possible that a whole house could be wired with iron wire to run all the usual electrical gadgets without the use of a single electron or any fear of electrocution. A supply of normal electricity is obtained by simply attaching the other half of the transformer.
Thanks to Beaty, thinking about this causes us to think of electricity in a completely different way.
cadxx
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Looking through the Einstein and general physics debunking on YouTube the other night (I admit I spend too many hours on the Internet), I came upon a video where the narrator went through a very clear-thinking assessment of the Einstein deception and general problems with physics. While I was thinking what an excellent presentation was being given he trailed off at the end into “the earth is six thousand years old” followed by a plug for Christianity that in themselves I could be just as easily debunked. I don’t know why but this video was still in my mind three days later walking the dog this morning. It occurs to me that this stuff actually supports the scientific binary that we are either scientific or religious. Some kind of collusion maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9d7bNQsJDQ
I then started thinking about the early days of the Internet and how much of the good science debunking came from Christian sources. There was a guy who called himself Woodmorrap or some such spelling who also wrote books debunking various scientific subjects – he was quite brilliant but his books were unashamedly Christian propaganda. How is it that these obviously clear thinking individuals are so blind when it comes to a book with admitted thousands of edits, translated into what became standard English by a non Christian occultist, the original (New Testament) compiled by a Roman politician? It’s not a secret.
See also for more religious debunking: Forgotten: WISTAR: SCIENTISTS DESTROY EVOLUTION https://nextexx.com/history-wistar-destroys-evolution/
We then have the ‘Deepak Chopra et alii’ who try to combine physics and spirituality. I’ve had my own spiritual experiences and they were nothing to do with physics. For example, I’ve been to Jupiter and I know why NASA cannot find water there – no academic non-science and no modern physics theory involved.
What is termed Waking-Up for me is simply realising who and what we are and with it an understanding that the world we live in is a sham, a matrix of lies that is not going away and is not going to change. The end is not nigh as the religious would have us believe.
I look forward to your comments on this fascinating subject.
cadxx
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cadxx wrote:
“For example, I’ve been to Jupiter and I know why NASA cannot find water there – no academic non-science and no modern physics theory involved.”
I believe you completely! Maybe you are interested in the works of the man
called “Harold Sherman” who has seen things in our universe before there were
any vehicles there (like jupiter), and his finding were proven to be correct by the
voyager!
Maybe you are also very interested in the book by Ingo swan:”Penetration”
in which he remote vieuws the moon, and found out is in not what is teached to us at schools! (well, what is?! 😉 )
We are really such great intelligent beings and look at us now!
Namaste!
Galacar
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Hi Galacar
I just got Einstein’s Luck, just started reading it. I’ve read quite a lot on remote viewing but not the ones you mention, will take a look, although I do know of Ingo Swan. Mcmoneagle’s books are very good, he was one of the original US army viewers.
I think they call what I did to see Jupiter astral travel, I like to do my own thing. Jupiter has a huge bubble of water floating on denser gas, rolling around the planet. I can only assume that the bubble sweeps-up the water in its path. This thing is big. Don’t forget, when NASA finds it, I was there first 🙂
It’s a great shame that we don’t get taught this stuff at school but education is suppressed like everything else by the same crowd who are blaming Russia for Syrian atrocities. Russian RT news had it’s bank account blocked in the UK recently so it’s not rocket science to work it out.
Keep pasting this stuff to the Internet so that others can educate themselves.
Namaste
cadxx
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Hi Cadxx,
Good you have the book “Einstein;s Luck”! Like the book so far?
Thanks for ‘Mcmoneagle’s books’, wasn’t aware of him.
Cadxx wrote:
“I think they call what I did to see Jupiter astral travel, I like to do my own thing”
Yes, it is mentioned by different names, some say you project your consciousnous,
other call it astral travel, whatever.
Anyway, I see consciousness as the most important subject in the world, or even universe.
Cadxx wrote
“It’s a great shame that we don’t get taught this stuff at school but education is suppressed like everything else ”
Yes, it is a great shame, but the reason becomes blatantly obvious if you understand that this whole world is filled with a sea of lies. The last thing some people want is peope to see the truth.Hence they surpress those things what can make seeing the truth possible.(like esp, astral travel, remote viewing and what have you.)
On the other hand, not to scare you but be carefull, is that the ‘governments’ control a great deal of the astral world as well.
Cadxx wrote
” who are blaming Russia for Syrian atrocities. Russian RT news had it’s bank account blocked in the UK recently so it’s not rocket science to work it out.”
In short:
Russia is demonised by the media, because TPTSB want a third world war! Hope we can stop these idiots!
Namaste!
Galacar
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Hi again Galacar
Einstein’s Luck: I’m reading about Millikan and electron charge at the moment – all very interesting. When I was lecturing the most common complaint among other lecturers was that scientific experiments don’t work. This one must be top ten.
Regarding your other answers: I was listening to an Eric P Dollard podcast online the other night and he was being asked about who it was who was destroying his work. He mentioned an organisation called Commonweal (spelling?) and he was speaking of negative spiritual influences. I did a little research and found them to be a Catholic organisation, specifically Jesuit. Quite a surprise as this stuff is always labeled conspiracy theory – Dan Brown! Dollard was saying that this anti-good-science has been going on since Galileo Galilei – which should have been a clue but I missed it at the time.
Putin kicked out all those he calls ‘the oligarchs’, the bankers, heads of big corporations etc. and started the BRICS bank. You can see where all the shit is coming from?
So yes, a big positive spiritual push for change.
cadxx
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Basically what increases with the speed of a moving object is its INERTIA but not its MASS.
drgsrinivas,
That looks a lot like the definition of momentum to me. In my mind, inertia is a quantity of matter – a count of the linked/bound ether-photons if you will.
Or not!
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John Prins,
You start with this premise: F=m(dv/dt)+v(dm/dt). Then you jump to this: dW=Fdx=m(dv/dt)dx.
Logic aside, the math doesn’t look right to me. Did you drop a term? Typo?
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Hi drgsrinivas Not sure where to put this?
There has been something wonderfully bizarre going-on on the Internet ever since the announcement of the US Navies electrically driven Rail Gun. It appears that this gun will fling projectiles at speeds fast enough to put them into orbit with no recoil.
The navy physicists have even done experiments and conclude that ‘we have recoil missing‘.
http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.physics.research/2008-12/msg00010.html
I looked at one or two forums and found the self appointed thought police AKA the skeptics having what can only be described as nervous breakdowns – writing gobbledygook in a desperate attempt to explain it all away and the usual “It has to be there somewhere”. This kind of faith would be admirable if they were medieval monks, but this is supposed to be the ‘rational science’ that Newton et al founded exclusively for the exclusion of these same monks.
Newton was a complex man torn between his first love Alchemy and a desire for money and power. His ‘Laws of motion’ were derived directly from the alchemical law called ‘THE PRINCIPLE OF CAUSE AND EFFECT’. http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/kybalion.pdf hence his remark about standing on the shoulders of giants – he was referring to the alchemists of old. He enlarged on the simple alchemical phrase “for every action there is a reaction” and made it into his Three Laws by stating what seemed at the time to be the obvious. Unfortunately living 300 years ago, he knew nothing of electricity, only the motions of cannon balls.
The method by which the Rail Gun works has been known for a hundred years but neglected by a science that has made a taboo of the study of electricity for an equal number of years. The reader would need to watch Eric P Dollard’s lectures regarding the repulsion of parallel conductors. He uses the words of JJ Thomson, Steinmetz, Tesla, and others of the day, researchers who understood the workings of electricity. I will look for the references for anyone interested.
I’ve started a webpage on this subject that promises to go on and on and all references will eventually be posted on there: https://nextexx.com/isaac-newtons-three-laws-of-motion/
Best regards
cadxx
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Professor Eric Dollard – “Theory of Anti-Relativity”
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Hi JJ, nice to meet you.
I fall on the quantum side of the argument.
But along with you, I have a theory that goes against everything
I know it’s going to be an uphill batlle
But here it is
Thank you for listening and thank you for what you are saying.
I’ve always had a problem with SR
And QM doesn’t make it any easier
I hope you read this, I hope you think it’s funny or at least light hearted, and truth
Please ignore references to time dialation, I just threw that in there to make it more acceptable to the mainstream.
Ok here goes…
BOB AND ALICE: a love story
edited by Eric Rauch
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-quantum.html
https://phys.org/news/2011-11-clones.html
https://phys.org/news/2016-10-precise-quantum-cloning-pathway.html
Penzkover Postulate:
I postulate that given sufficient fidelity, it is possible to send classical information via quantum entanglement using a stream of a minimum of two precise quantum copies, synchronized clocks, and a simple network protocol.
I understand that it is not possible to create perfect quantum clones.
But we don’t need perfect clones, precise copies is all we need.
And we can do it using only two copies.
For example:
Let’s say that Alice and Bob synchronize their watches. Bob stays here on Earth and Alice goes to Mars. She will adjust her watch to accomodate for any time dialation caused by her trip. She has 100 sets of two quantum copies of one half of a pair of entangled particles such as photons or electrons, or qubits. Bob has the other half.
Let us also assume that the quantum copies have at least 90% fidelity.
Alice and Bob agree that at exactly 9:30pm, she will send a zero or one.
She will send a zero by not measuring the quantum spin. She will send a one by measuring the quantum spin. With me so far? Okay good.
She must make the measurements simultaneously if she intends to send a one.
In this single channel, half-duplex example, we know that if she were dead, or didn’t feel like talking, this would effectively still send a zero.
You could also add another channel to indicate whether she is sending information or not sending information.
You could also duplicate these two-channels for Bob, so that he could talk back to Alice.
With this full-duplex protocol in place, you could also verify the intended message. Bob could ask her, “What’s your favorite flavor of ice cream?”,
She could reply, “Chocolate.” Bob then verifies her answer, “Did you say ‘Whocolate’?”, and would reply, “No I said Chocolate”, then he verifies again, “Did you say ‘Chocolate’?”, She would reply “Yes.”
There are any number of ways to perform verfication such as parity bits, CRC checksums, etc, stuff we already do.
Okay so back to the original one-channel half-duplex protocol.
So now it is just a nanosecond after 9:30pm
Bob has mail.
Bob measures the spin of one copy, then he waits some arbitrarily small amount of time, then he measures the spin of the other copy.
It is very important that he staggers his measurements in time because they are copies and will give identical results if measured simultaneously.
With the more advanced protocol, they would use ASCII codes of 8 bits to send text strings and numbers, symbols, etc.
Okay so Bob will do this 99 more times for a total of 100.
Then he builds a probability distribution graph.
In a perfect world with perfect clones, he would see one of three results:
All spins are up
All spins are down
Half of the spins are up and half of the spins are down
It doesn’t matter if the spins are up or down,
If they are all the same,
She sent a one (i.e. “Yes”)
If they are half and half,
She sent a zero (i.e. “No”, or she’s dead, or she doesn’t feel like talking.)
But life isn’t perfect and neither are quantum copies.
So Bob decides that if 40-60% are the same, he knows that is a zero.
And if 80-100% are the same, he knows that is a one.
If it is any other amount, the data is corrupt or at least null/invalid.
You might be wondering where all these sets of copies of entangled pairs are coming from. Well, it could be from anywhere. It doesn’t matter in this scenario. But if you insist, it could be photons from a laser passed through a beam splitter coupled with a light amplifier acting as a quantum copy machine, located midway between Alice and Bob.
At this point you might be wondering, “So what happened? Did she send a one or a zero?”
Ok fine I will indulge you. Here’s what happened:
Bob asked Alice if she loves him.
She said, hmm I don’t know, lemme think about it.
How bout we create a network protocol using quantum copies of entangled pairs, and I spend 3 years flying to Mars, and at exactly 9:30pm, 3 years from today, I will communicate my answer to you Faster-Than-Light.
One means yes and zero means no.
Bob is like, okay that’s fine, but it only takes like 30-40 minutes to send information from Mars to Earth, so after 3 years of waiting, who cares if I recieve the information at 9:30 or 10:05?
She’s like, you know what, Bob? You always do this to me.
I come up with an idea, something I think will be fun and interesting,
And you tell me I’m wrong or irrational or crazy.
Bob’s like whoa, take it easy. We can do it your way.
I’m just saying if it takes 3 years, it’s not really FTL.
In fact it’s a lot slower.
ALICE: Just shut up
BOB: Okay I’m sorry
So she sets off on her mission. She has a lot of time to think about her answer. She thinks to herself, you know what? As annoying as Bob is, I really do love him. And besides, I’m not always that easy to get along with or understand, and he understands me. I’m going to send a one.
So at 9:30 she sends a one.
And a moment later, Bob recieves her message Faster-Than-Light.
She said yes.
He is thrilled.
He can’t wait to see her again.
He patiently waits for her return.
But because they violated the law of Causality by sending information faster than light. They are doomed.
Even worse, they realized that since they have the ability to send information at faster than light speeds, they can also send information into the past, and if that information changes the timeline, now they’re really in trouble.
So now a black hole must form in her path home. As she tries to go around it the physicists and mathmeticians that determine the fate of the universe get even more pissed off.
And then the Universe becomes unstable and explodes and evaporates like it never existed in the first place.
THE END
Love, Brandon.
P.S. The point of the story is this:
Faster than light communication using quantum entanglement IS POSSIBLE.
You don’t need quantum clones to do it, precise copies works just fine.
And yes, if you can do it, you can also send a message to the past.
If you try to send a message to yourself,
Or if you send a message that significantly affects the timeline,
Then things get all paradoxical and weird.
But that’s your problem, not mine.
P.P.S. If anybody wants to send me the winning lottery numbers from the future, I’m totally okay with that 🙂
PPPS — Thank you JJ for reading my idea, I’ve submitted this a few times with no responses. Not to you but others, and no reply. I live near FermiLab and I drive for Uber so sometimes I get to have a good conversation about this stuff with people who are familiar with what we are saying, and they usually concur, at least the smart free thinking ones are. Circa 1800 double slit 1. Circa 1900 double slit 2. Circa 2017 we are now doing triple slit with large organic molecules. I dig your style man. Good job explaining elegantly. Please don’t get mad that everyone has it wrong. We do too, Thank you for re-opening the book on the Ether. Of course we live in a sea of Ether. Waves cannot travel through nothing. Anyway, thank again. Please read my simple way to send information using entanglement. And by the way I have no hypothesis about it. I simply don’t know. No one else does either. Until we do the experiment. That way we keep an open mind and learn one more thing about the world where we live.
Keep up the good work! People like me are listening!
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Dear Srinivas Rao, after the nonsense theory that declared that “space is curved”, I came to realize that most of the theories of this kind during the period of early part of 20th century are wrong. We can almost junk most of the theories around quantum and relativity as stupidity. But for your conviction, there is no need for debunking each and every theory. They are wrong for the following reasons:
Most of these theories have spiritual basis. And that spiritual basis is completely wrong. To be more clear, all these scientists intrinsically believed in the Vedantic Maya theory of Hinduism. You may question how Einstien knew maya theory or anything like that, but before that you can find very tangible evidences that “vedantic theory of maya” was a craze during 1900-40s. Remember the sentence uttered by that who dropped the atom bomb.
While I respect Einstein and his sincerity (after all one great Jew scientist who escaped Holocaust), he himself admitted that his discoveries started from “intuitions” that were based on “thought experiments”. They were not arrived after some long theoretical research or intellectual hardwork. He got intuitions and then went on to prove them scientifically (not very different from Ramanujan who but refused to prove)
All his intuitions, which HAD COME EXTERNALLY have “world is maya’ as the basic fundamental tenet. This is not obvious from his work but it is obvious from work of other scientists of his period like Wesienberg etc
There seem to have been a major requirement to substantiate that world is maya from the spiritual side of the world during that time. Lets hope from the positive perpspective of ‘saving world’ or it may be negative perspective of ‘keeping some people out of the world”
The spiritual force behind these maya movement of 1900s DID NOT BELIEVE in the utility of scienctific research
However, the basic foundation of scientific research is the tenet – “World is Real and not random, and is run by fixed laws – let us explore”. This basic tenet was broken by these spiritual forces – e.g. quantum physics where scientists claimed that ‘observers can change the experiment result by their very act of observatioin’
Another example of this stupidic mania is the time running backward and all that nonsense that finally reached its limit when Einstein declared space is curved!!!
Einstein repented a lot for atomic bomb invention. The holocaust should have claimed him but he escaped miraculously but ended up in helping build atomic bomb.
Spiritual equivalent of point 8 is that a “jewish god saviour” must have been expected during that period which did not materialize ending up all Jews being burnt alive by that evil called Hitler.
The explosion of atomic bomb is equivalent to ‘bombing’ of the concept of existent of a Jewish saviour!!! – my intuition…
To conclude, the scientists of those period including Einstein (except for very few) did not knew that all their discoveries have the basic tenet of world is maya!!
An important counter argument – “The spiritual force posted or awakened during that period of the world concluded that “World is Maya”….Now science has to be saved as the entire scientific effort will be invalid with that realization. So, theories have to be constructed that validate science while at the same time are based on ‘world is maya’ theory….. An evidence for this argument is Einstein’s “space is curved” nonsense – because he could not scientifically establish the movement of space objects by any other means!!!!!!!!
Both arguments look plausible though I think it is stupidity to create scientific theories that have ‘world is maya’ as basic tenet!!
The ‘gravitational waves’ and “ligo” stupidity is the continuing tradition of above phenomena…
Will be glad to know your comments..
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Murugesan, thanks for being here. Enjoyed reading your comments.
Actually modern scientific theories and ancient religious/spiritual wisdom represent opposite poles. While the former represents ignorance at its heights, the latter represents the highest level of knowledge.
The only thing that unites both is that they are both misunderstood!!! Scientists misunderstand science and mystics/ spiritual teachers misunderstand the Vedic literature. Because of this misunderstanding (perpetuated by modern education), people might feel that modern science is in accordance with ancient Vedic literature and vice versa. But as I mentioned earlier, they are opposite things. One represents Satya (Truth), the other Asatya (Untruth).
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They need not be opposite poles or mutually exclusive. But a wrong or ignorant way of integrating the two always lead to catastrophe. Relativity and quantum theories are evidence, if not what is currently happening in education section in India.
With respect to science and religion, I would explain it as follows. For many scientists and atheists, to say “world is a creation rather than evolution” amounts to saying ‘science is useless’. It is not so. Actually, world is both an evolution and a creation simultaneously (recently I got corroborated with this view even in an Saiva Agama).
Vedas say “Creator (Lord Shiva) thought or sankalped that let there be a world, and the world got created. This creation was like a snapshot of humanity at anytime with complete creation on the basis of the theory world is eternal. Now, Creator’s sankalpa pertains mainly to “purpose of why creation is required” and not “the detailed rudiments of the creation”. For example, he would not sankalped, every human shall have one liver, two kidneys, two eyes etc. It results automatically from the purpose of the divine ideation.
But, the details is where science comes into picture. Now, the creator does not need to be aware upfront the full details of His creation though He has Absolute Power over it. The knowledge of His creation exists with His Agent of Creation, Para Sakthi. Science deals with the investigating the creation to understand it so that it can be sustained and evolved for serving its very purpose.
Creator can always rely on His agent to understand His creation which were based on eternal laws. It is like saying CEO of an automobile company may or need not know how the gear box is manufactured. However, he can summon his manager to understand it anytime he needs. However, in our spiritual analogy, Lord need not even know these details but through His omniscience He can understand. But those running the factory including the manager need to know. Science serves this purpose of investigation in order further and sustain the creation and evolution.
It is both evolution and creation because, once a snapshot of the world is created, from then on, it will start evolving where again science comes into picture. Also, both creation and evolution will continue to be supported by Lord Shiva and Sakthi.
Apart from the above justification, my heart always goes for those sincere hard working scientists who dedicate their life for betterment of the humanity (sustenance and evolution in larger sense) while those “who reject the world in the name of maya and renunciation’ get to enjoy all the fruits of creation from “power” to “bliss’.
When will this imbalance be rectified? You cannot justify unless you believe in that the world is unnecessary creation, its maya and should be rejected…!!
I console myself thinking that these scientists having dedicated their life for humanity will be born again in a spiritual lineage in another birth ready to make spiritual progress (Oh, yes , I dont mean that then they will accept world is maya and renounce the world to attain spiritual heights….they will be meant for genuine spiritual attainments)
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Came across this:
“There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment.”
– Nikola Tesla
at http://www.mccelt.com/tesla.php
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I also reject relativity. However, if mass is not convertible into energy, what is happening when a log is burned? I recently read Milan R. Pavlovic’s argument in his book, “Einstein’s Theory Of Relativity.
Scientific Theory Or Illusion?” that positrons do not annihilate electrons because the total energy released doe not include the mass.
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